The players did , whith their massive revotls, riots and demands that CCP scrapped the focus on incarna in favor of SPACE. CCP lost a LOT of costumers and only started gettign them back after they complied.

THey leaarned a lesson. Do not expect anything incarna related soon.

Highly unlikely they will make the same mistake twice. WiS needs a place in EVE, even if it's only a very small part of the game. Yes it's about spaceships, pew pew and all that BS, but for some it's also about the lore and immersion of EVE. And the worse thing is...CQ teases us constantly with "what could have been".

"Then just look at the hangar when you dock."

Not the same, never will be.

EVE radiates something other games fail to grasp. It's design and massive lore demand more then just spaceship fights. Hence the 2 other products of CCP. A WiS expansion that is properly implemented without damaging the economy or the precious internet spaceships would benefit the game allot, and finally attract new some new players to EVE.

Start small, ease into the process. Use lube, as some of the fanboys still are a bit butthurt from the last time.

One of the biggest issues was the speed of progress. Incarna took almost a year and was released with just one interior complete. It took them another expansion to get the other races done.

Then you must consider the fact that Incarna as it was delivered is unusable for its original design. Its simply too resource intensive for the majority of people to use if other people will be interacting on screen.

It was poorly conceived and executed. It would really be have to remade from scratch and I (along with many others) don't want to lose a another year to Barbie Dress-up in Space.

As for losing customers, how many years has it been since Incarna failed to materialise? Exactly when is this mass exodus going to begin?

Yes, we'll lose all the people who look for avatar gameplay in games and currently sub to a game with no avatar gameplay. Might lose some married bachelors too.

Holy ****. The arrogance in this statement is just amazing, other peoples opinions are GÇ£wrongGÇ¥? Its an opinion, I.E subjective.


There are also people who donGÇÖt want that, who want CCP to fix the myriad of problems that have existed for years.



I think CCP are fully aware of the markets and demographics they target their game at. Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe they have looked at the future of their own company regarding competition in their chosen field?
Given the development times required I would guess that theyGÇÖve looked at it decided that the rewards (keeping a minority of players happy) do not out way the costs (pissing off the majority of players)

Let's hope CCP keeps their promise to focus on real Eve content.

Please see the quote in my signature.

Your argument is flawed, implying that they totally neglected anything space ship related. The game has been/and always will be in a constant state of being "fixed".

There will never been a time where the Developers go "Well, all he game mechanics are perfect now. Lets move on to WiS."

The thing that burned so many players in my opinion is the Micro Transaction debacle. Not the actual WiS. The WiS is just a by product of MT. They can still expand the WiS with out the MTs.

How about because CCP is a very small company with limited resources?

And with a solid (but loud, informed, rude and annoying) user base they have to thread a bit careful?

The game might be about space and without limits, CCP has limits.

If WiS is so important, why isn't EVE dead already? It's been 10 years.

What makes you think that a game that has survived everything up to and including massive CCP screw ups is going to die because it lacks people shaped pixels doing things?

EVE is better off staying EVE. The people who want to walk around should play games that feature that (hell, there's a Star Wars game going that has that, a Star Trek game that has it, etc etc, just pick one). EVE is for the spaceship guys.

I think it's quite clear that the major reason for that is one of opposition and philosophy rather than technical challenge. CCP don't let technical challenges stop them - if they did, EVE wouldn't even exist. Technical challenges are eminently surmountable - player hostility is less so.

Every time somebody even mentions the possibility of resurrecting Incarna content, we get a thread full of hostility, usually spearheaded by the Goons for some reason.

Damn, for a thread that covers a very old topic, this is turning out to be a threadnaught already. Nine pages and this thread only came up today.

When I'm docked Im either busy doing other things with the game (buying stuff from market, contracting stuff, fitting a ship etc). I don't find anything you just said appealing in the least. I'm not trying to lose myself in a game, I'm just playing a game.

The best "docked" content CCP could add is a browser that doesn't suck, screw everything else.

Well having seen this thread, I decided to go and have another look at the CQ's, having not gone in there for some time, on my 4 year old system it runs perfectly fine two screens to max resolution all settings high, 75% activity, fan at 50% and 63C. And I have to say how lovely this is, the quarters are very well done indeed and the mirror knocks my socks off.

I cannot in all seriousness understand people not accepting some small developments in this, I for one would like it and as many things are now fixed why not!

It's not that people are opposed to development of WiS, it's that people are opposed to finite development resources being wasted on useless fluff instead of being utilized for core FiS stuff.

If they had limitless development resources, sure, go nuts! But they don't, which means that any development done on WiS is coming out of the budget for FiS, and there are very few aspects of new FiS development that are unimportant enough that they can be realistically sacrificed for the sake of spacebarbie.

They should do an official silent vote when all characters log in if they are in favor for more Wis Content. Settle this once and for all.

Fixed your post.

THIS and other comments like it is what I want and feel the Eve community would be open to. IGÇÖm glad to see others throwing that in here. However, I donGÇÖt consider GÇ£smallGÇ¥ to be a single CQ. :P Pull something like that off again, and weGÇÖll be right back to where we are now. So as much as I appreciate StitcherGÇÖs enthusiasm for WiS and his vision of what heGÇÖd like to see, I canGÇÖt say IGÇÖm on-board with the whole Dust-in-stations version of WiS. IGÇÖm also not an advocate for the whole GÇ£make my own storeGÇ¥ in-station. I just would prefer to see the simple things. Things that add to the immersion of the sci-fi game I love but doesnGÇÖt detract from the fact that I am a PILOT. Not a Dust bunny.

I think a great deal of people who think Avatar content is a bad idea think that on the basis that they believe anything CCP deliver in future will be like the CQ, pointless and devoid of content with no impact on the rest of the Eve universe. An understandable concern, sure, but that's not really what people are asking for. They're asking CCP for content. Content that impacts Eve, that is fun, replayable, profitable, risky, variable and deap.

I think CCP can achieve that, and CCP seem to think so too. They are, after all, developing an Avatar game with those aims as we speak.

This. Bravo.

It is concise, to the point, and flies in the face of all the usual arguments that a vocal minority have against Avatar content.